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Ozi's Engine Challenge!

uploaded by oziboy 1 year ago

Do you have what it takes to build Besiege's most powerful engine?
Builders and participants will have a month to build their engines and upload them!

Engine has to be uploaded by the end of 28th August, will be reviewed the next 2 days
Plagiarism will lead to being disqualified, so no stealing, I suggest you guys upload as late as possible, possibly 2 days before the deadline which is 28th of August
Modding is allowed, .bsg editing too
Turbines are allowed
Glitches are NOT allowed (Things like this: )
Engines uploaded later than 28th August will NOT be taken in count for the results, no exceptions
When you upload your engine, place a link to the engine as a comment below
Make sure there's proper instructions on how to start your engine!
Uploading engines that you made in the past is allowed
One engine per person, else you'll be disqualified

That's all, good luck to whoever participates!
Also, the engine in the download will be my creation as an example, Y to start and god mode is not necessary

Things I'll be giving points on:
Power (I will hook up the engines and see which one beats which, and maybe make a video)
Amount of parts used (pretty much how compact it is)
Total of 9 points

Winner has the title best engine builder of 2016 :p
posted by wasdlucas 1 year ago
Man, looks interessante, but hard.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
If turbines are allowed )as well as saw blade power) this just boils down to who has the most of them coupled together.
If it were efficiency i could see some actual competition, but...
Just spend a day coupling turbines with 100x power each together into a string of 100 of them and it will rip the world in half lol.
posted by The J 1 year ago
Royce, don't forget he's also giving points for compactness.
posted by The J 1 year ago
One problem, Ozi: if you just hook them up straight away, the turbines will win every time, because they'll force the conventional engines to stall and probably even reverse direction, unless they're ridiculously well-made, which I doubt even Royce could manage :P (yes that is a challenge, Royce!).
I suggest that you put a clutch between them, then engage the two competing engines / turbines when they reach full speed. Or just hook them both up to torque meters like Royce has made before.

Also, Royce, saw blades? I think he means cannons and steam cannons, probably.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Hey Hey The J
Still id .bsg editing is allowed then we just make 1 turbine, and set the steam power to 5 billion ha ha.
turbines will destroy a piston style engine every time. Even i cant make an engine that will go piston to turbine and match evenly. no matter what ive tried. Its why my current build is turbine powered as much as i hate them.

And i do mean saw blades. a few of those stacked together are super powerful and can be clutched and geared.
posted by The J 1 year ago There's mine.
posted by The J 1 year ago
Yeah very true Royce. Shall we say no mods, besides placement? That seems fair.
Are you sure turbines are always stronger? I could've sworn that engines can out-power turbines, even if they have to get to speed first.
As for saw blades, yeah, they're going to beat the crap out of any engine. But they aren't really an engine, just another form of "stack all the wheels together for more power!".
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Yeah, turbines are always more powerful. Ive never seen one outmatched. the only reason is constant power output. you cant actually stall a turbine ( you can stop it, but not stall it) it s always pushing.
My most powerful piston engine was my straight 8 with 45 degree firing. it rated 5 gear sets, its get blown away from just a two set of turbines :(

Especially f you are using turbines that recoup the lost steam like you jazzed up ;D
posted by The J 1 year ago
Oh, stop it you!

Perhaps then, we should have a different category for turbines and engines?

Also, I've done some experimenting, and it turns out that cannon (turbines, at least) engines easily beat steam version, though they do need a sizable flywheel (or just a lot of them like Royce did) to counteract their very inconsistent fire.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Really? id love to see you build.
posted by The J 1 year ago
It's literally just two very simple four-cannon turbines hooked up to turn against each other, both powered by one flamethrower. THe cannon one overpowers the steam one.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Nice! i hadnt ever done a canon turbine. i may have to play with that after my uber steam tank is done.
posted by The J 1 year ago
Be careful! They break stuff!

Uber Steam tank? Can't wait! If you're using the most powerful engine you can I'd be the happiest guy ever if you used mine :P
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago

I couldnt get that simple setup to make much power (the cannon turbine). i must be doing something wrong, even having them all fire at once repeatedly. I didnt play with it for long, but still. The uber tank got boring. its done, but it didnt get a turbine engine yet. i ran into a glitch and have to redo some supports and then got bored and then made an entry for this.
posted by The J 1 year ago
Really? I should clarify, power probably isn't the best term, it's more torque that I'm on about, but with a gearbox it's effectively the same thing in besiege.
So you've tried using just a set of four cannons like you would a simple turbine, and then powered them with a flamethrower? I can't understand what's wrong, really, if that's what you did. A flywheel should smooth it out (at least somewhat), but even without that it ought to be far stronger than a steam turbine of the same variety. I used shrapnel cannons for mine (less lag, my laptop isn't very beefy) but if you used ball cannons, then they should be even stronger anyway.
We should probably stop swamping this place, anyway. PM me on Reddit, my username is The_J485 over there.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Sorry i dont Reddit. (pretend im 90, for all intents) just spam my entry from here lol

***My Entry for the Contest***
posted by The J 1 year ago
I'll find you on Steam then.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Thats easy, my steam name is the same here :D
posted by Harry 1 year ago
Just a question? Are you giving points on how compact it is or on how few blocks it uses? Because I could totally make a tiny engine by resizing it.
Also, torque matters, not speed, right?
posted by Harry 1 year ago
And, are god modes and skin packs ok?
posted by The J 1 year ago
Would've thought that at least infinite ammo was necessary.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
I havent heard from Ozi since he started this.... ???

Im still waiting on harry's since he says his beats mine...i might have to go edit the .bsg file again if so...
no real competition if its not vanilla.
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
Holy damn this kinda exploded, sorry I'm on vacation hahaha

Anyways let's set another rule that it has to be able to power a vehicle without destroying it (HAHA NO 5 BILLION TURBINE POWE)
so it HAS to be efficient in the same manner
Compact, efficient and a buttload of power
I'm looking at something with a block count as low as possible
Efficiency will add another 3 points so the total is 12

Sadly speed in besiege is limited, so I'm not giving points on that, just on torque
I suppose skin packs are fine, but I'll look at how clean the machine is and if it contains useless parts, not on block style
God modes are of course allowed
With modding, don't go into the extreme like I said

The device should be able to run without invincibility, but it's fine if it doesn't as long as it can power a vehicle
I have an idea for a new torque meter too, I'll build it right at the deadline, you'll see what it'll be

I'll be allowing people to make more entries, I'll just count the last one and check everything in the backwards direction so I don't have doubles

By the way, you can take principles of the Duke engine provided in the bag
I seriously think this one beats the classic turbine

And maybe try not using a gearbox, it's cheating in some way haha
The engine may either have a big or a small wheel, no usage of gears in any other way
posted by The J 1 year ago
Have you actually tried running the duke against a turbine?
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
Not at all, but I have the suspicion it will haha

Or it might be a total failure

Actually I pulled on that wheel that's spinning on top and it got some serious power, something my v8 engine wasn't able to
posted by The J 1 year ago
Just tested it. The duke can beat a simple four water cannons around a block, but not if you give them any more leverage by putting them around a greater radius. Nice job!
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
Even the real thing looks like something with low RPM but a buttload of POWER
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
I remember reading somewhere there is a 5 cilinder 273HP Duke engine
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Im still floored by Liquid Pistons rotary engine. Thats one of the most efficient engines thats been made recently. Have either of you seen that?

of course who knows how long the apex seals last, but still...
posted by The J 1 year ago
Yeah I saw that, it's so damn cool.
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Love me a rotary engine!
posted by The J 1 year ago
You should try and make one, though I know it won't really work the same you can at least make it look like it!
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Prob could with planetary gears now that i think about it. just stick a turbine behind it.
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
Making a rotary is possible somehow
I have an idea, but I cannot test it right now

I'll check that link in an hour or 3
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
Do not forget it's an engine, powered by either pistons or cannons or whatever, not a fake motor that has saw blades whatsoever
posted by The J 1 year ago
Could probably just make it go around with planetaries and the cannons are valved to only hit it when they push it round in the right way.
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
I wonder how complex it's going to be with such limited resources
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Planetary would be must i would think.
posted by oziboy 1 year ago

Though you need to reverse the direction

It might take too much space, rather than be compact and placement of blocks is going to be a serious issue
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
Times running out people, don't forget to upload
posted by The J 1 year ago
Oooooh it's getting tense.
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
Hop hop, a day left, I'm uploading my meter right now!!!
posted by The J 1 year ago
Looks like despite talking shit to Royce about how his own engine was so amazing, Harry hasn't entered. Smooth.

Also, this isn't an entry, but I invented a new type of turbine:
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
2 hours 'til its closed
posted by oziboy 1 year ago
I'll just close it now and give my conclusion between J and Royce

First I hooked up the two machines to see which would overpower, I used the little gears on both machines and really Royce's creation wrecked it, I had to put invincibility on not to see the carnage
Though, when I unpinned and tested both machines individually The J's machine was better, as the "overpowered turbine" but spun around like crazy, ofcourse, in gravity off, but the double action turbine was stable despite drifting a bit to the right

When attached to similar cars (same frame, edited to be able to run on the machines) The J's machine was slow but did NOT drift to any side or try to flip over due to Besiege physics so that's a plus
Royce's machine on the other hand was making circles, a large radius but it still drifted to the side which was rather annoying

At rock climbing, Royce's machine was overpowered, as expected, but with the fire off it did better due to the fast spinning otherwise so maybe you shouldn't have used steam at all, just water
It also did flip over and destroy itself right after it hit a relatively small bump, because of Besiege physics
the double action turbine barely made the first stage of the rock

For esthetics, Royce's machine was rather clean, but when powered on created a semi-mess, some people might like the steam there but for me it was pretty awful and destroyed the machine itself, I had to clear the braces I put to keep the frame in one piece to keep it from breaking
I like how The J's machine kept the steam within, but I wish you had put that flamethrower somewhere else

So here's the results:
-efficiency: 1/3
-esthetics: 2/3
-power: 3/3
-compactness: 2/3
-total: 8/12

The J:
-efficiency: 3/3
-esthetics: 3/3
-power: 2/3
-compactness: 1/3
-total: 9/12

I crown The J the winner for this challenge, congratulations

I'll make one for a piston engine later, next month or so, but with a tighter deathline :P
posted by The J 1 year ago
posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Wow, thats a pretty rough take on that for being so few blocks and creating exponentially more more power... :/
especially as god/mods were explicitly allowed.

posted by Roycehellion 1 year ago
Holy shit, 1400 DL's on this and only 2 entrants. thats lame...i wanted to see Harry's engine too.
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